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"Shock Troops" Update

12:33 PM, Jul 19, 2007 • By MICHAEL GOLDFARB
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We're getting huge amounts of feedback on this, and the story continues to spread in the blogosphere. But we're going to post updates throughout the day as more comes in. If you haven't read the original story, click here.

Here's the latest list of blogs covering this, which we will keep updating as things progress:

The Corner
Ace of Spades
Blackfive
Hot Air
Dean Barnett
Powerline
Op-For
Dadmanly
Haft of the Spear
QandO

And here are some of the comments that are pouring in, (again click here to read the original post and more comments):

I served 4 years in the Army, including service in Desert Storm, and was in a Bradley Fighting Vehicle battalion, the 1/9 Cav Regiment out of Ft. Hood.

As with most things written by the the traitorous media, the Shock Troop story is a collection of lies, complied by sissy leftist who don't even do enough research to make their lies believable. Sort of like the story of flushing a Koran down a toilet.

I've been in the drivers seat of a Bradley, and as Stuart Koehl says, you have terrible visibility on the right hand side. The engine is over there, and it's like trying to put a Ford Excursion in a parking space for a compact car.

The closest you can see on the right side is probably 15 feet away, and that would be with the seat all the way up, and the hatch fully opened back. No trooper is going to ride down a road in Iraq sitting that high, he'd be a sitting duck for a sniper. They either roll with the hatch fully shut, looking through the periscopes for visibility (think driving a sub down the street), or at most, with the hatch at half-cock, where you look though a slit (think sitting in a trash can with the lid on your head).

You're not going to be able to see a dog over there, so that's one lie.

Another lie is running things over with the Bradley. Take a look at the front it. The first thing that sticks out is the tracks, which are also the most vulnerable part of it. If you went around running into buildings or concrete barriers with your Bradley, you'd throw a track, and after your BC (Bradley commander) put his boot up your ass for being a dumb-ass, you'd spend the rest of your tour demoted down to sitting in the dreaded side turret jump seat between the driver and the rest of the crew, breathing diesels fumes, mixed in with BO and MRE gas from the dismount team.

Other lies - how does a dog sit in the road and get run over by an armored vehicle? How many dogs have you ever seen run over like this? Dogs aren't dumb, they get out of the way of a 23 ton armoured vehicle. The Bradley is not a Formula 1 race car either - the usual rolling speed is about 20-30 MPH. The article makes it sound like the BFV (Bradley Fighting Vehicle) is some sort of Klingon warship with a clocking device and a sound silencer, capbale of sneaking up on sleeping dogs and running them over before they can get up and move the 2 feet they'd have to get out of the way.

Then there's the story of a dog getting run over, with the two sections twitching around. Notice how it's written for shock value, with some lie about the head just staying there. The tracks of a Bradley are pretty wide - it's not a tire, it's a track. That would have to be one damn big stray dog to be cut in two by a Bradley, and still have identifiable parts on either side. Besides, how did he know what happended after he had run it over? Did he stop, get out of his vehicle, and walk over to it to take a look? You don't have real view mirror on a BFV.

Ian Kress
US Army, 1989-1993
MOS 11H (Infantry - Anti-Armor)
1/9th Cav Regiment, 1st Cav Division, Ft Hood.

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FWIW: I hold rank of Major in the Judge Advocate General Corps, U.S. Army Reserve. From first week of October 2005 to first week of September 2006 I served with the 3d Corps Support Command at LSA Anaconda (@40 miles north of Baghdad, our Army's chief logistic "rear" base). 3d COSCOM ran primary logistics for Iraq--we had people all over the country.

I ran the Legal Assistance Office/Client Services. My sole contacts with FOB Falcon amounted to drawing some LAO clients from that post. But down the hall to our East from LAO you'd find Military Justice (Prosecution). To West of LAO sat the Trial Defense Service boys (Defense attorneys). Around two corners the Administrative Law attorney reviewed and advised investigations. All these men were friends of mine. From neither office did I ever hear word of any legal discipline taken against anyone, for any such actions as your story relates. And we Client Services attorneys often heard scuttlebutt through the other offices of what was going on around Iraq.

Now, from the description I'd say that "Scott Thomas" (*IF* he's really a soldier) belongs to a combat unit. So he would not come under 3d COSCOM direct authority, to include military justice issues. 3d COSCOM would have no command & control (C2) responsibilities over combat units, to include military justice issues. So I can't say with absolute certainty that none of the incidents occurred. As you say, the depths of man's total depravity allow any and every conceivable evil... The Lord Jesus Christ may forgive, but the Army won't. I agree with your posters: Soldier stupidity committed in public WILL get out--even if no one stopped such actions right away, you may be sure that even private soldiers GOSSIP.

David James Hanson
MAJ, JA, USAR
formerly of 3d COSCOM, LSA Anaconda, Balad, Iraq

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More after the jump.


When I saw this, I thought it was a total fabrication. It just does not pass the smell test. But, my own combat experience is 37 years old. So, I sent it to my son and asked his reaction. My son has done a tour in Iraq w/ the 10th Mountain Division, and two tours w/ the Ranger Regiment. Here is what he said

"That's the dumbest thing I have ever read, except for that "Ranger" [Jessie Macbeth] who was an even bigger moron."

I think he's on to something. Like Macbeth's lies, this is so far-fetched as to be incredible to anyone who is remotely familiar with military culture. But, the TNRs of the world lap it up.

My son does not claim to have first-hand knowledge of these alleged events, but reactions like his likely demonstrate that (1) this stuff is most likely fabricated, and (2) at a minimum, even if there were some remote grain of truth in one that he has embellished, it is so far out of the mainstream as to be a total aberration. The fact that any soldier I have ever known would think this is so far-fetched as to be a fabrication shows that it is not remotely close to being tolerated or condoned by the military in any way.

Since my son has been in special ops, he is very publicity-shy. Please don't publish anything that would identify him by name. Thanks.

Will post another update shortly, but I'd encourage readers to go check out the other blogs that are covering this...